Legislature(2007 - 2008)SENATE FINANCE 532

02/21/2008 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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+ SB 201 PUBLIC FINANCE WEBSITE TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ SB 122 MUNICIPAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ SB 204 MUNI TAX EXEMPTION: COMBAT DEATHS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 67 MUNICIPAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                     February 21, 2008                                                                                          
                         9:08 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman called the Senate  Finance Committee meeting                                                                   
to order at 9:08:10 AM.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Joe Thomas                                                                                                              
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bill  Weilechowski; Michelle Sydeman,  Staff, Senator                                                                   
Bill  Wielechowski;   Kim  Garnero,  Director,   Division  of                                                                   
Finance, Department  of Administration; Gary  Superman, self,                                                                   
Kenai; Jennifer Yuhas, Special  Assistant to Mayor, Fairbanks                                                                   
North  Star Borough;  Senator Gene  Therriault; Ernest  Prax,                                                                   
staff   Senator    Therriault,   Representative    Gruenburg,                                                                   
Representative  Mike  Chenault,  Michelle Sydemen,  Staff  to                                                                   
Senator  Wielechowski;  Grier  Hopkins,  staff,  Senator  Joe                                                                   
Thomas;  Steve  Van  Sant,  State   Assessor,  Department  of                                                                   
Commerce Community  Economic Development Ernest  Prax, Staff,                                                                   
Senator Gene Therriault                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Sandra Fabry,  State Government  Affairs Director,  Americans                                                                   
for Tax  Reform; Chris Nelson,  Alaska for Tax  Reform; Steve                                                                   
Cleary, Executive  Director, Alaska Public  Interest Research                                                                   
Group  (AKPIRG);  Steve  Van  Sant,  State  Assessor,  DCCED;                                                                   
Tammie Wilson,  Fairbanks; Susan Hernandez,  Fairbanks Tammie                                                                   
Wilson, North Pole; Susan Hernandez, Fairbanks                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 201         "An Act relating to the establishment and                                                                        
               maintenance  of an Internet  website providing                                                                   
               public  finance  information; and  identifying                                                                   
               the   information  to  be  available   on  the                                                                   
               Internet website."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
               SB  201 was  HEARD and  HELD in Committee  for                                                                   
               further consideration.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SB 122         "An Act relating to an optional exemption                                                                        
               from municipal  property taxes for residential                                                                   
               property."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
               SB  122 was  heard and  HELD in Committee  for                                                                   
               further consideration.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SB 204         "An Act relating to an optional exemption                                                                        
               from  municipal property taxes  for residences                                                                   
               of widows  and widowers of certain  members of                                                                   
               the  armed forces  of the  United States;  and                                                                   
               providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
               SB  204 was  heard and  HELD in Committee  for                                                                   
               further consideration.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HB 67(FIN) am  "An  Act  relating  to a  mandatory  exemption                                                                   
               from  municipal  property  taxes  for  certain                                                                   
               college  property,  to a  mandatory  exemption                                                                   
               from  municipal property taxes  for residences                                                                   
               of   certain  widows   or  widowers,   and  to                                                                   
               optional  exemptions  from municipal  property                                                                   
               taxes   for  property  of  certain   fraternal                                                                   
               organizations  and for  certain residences  of                                                                   
               law  enforcement officers;  and providing  for                                                                   
               an effective date."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
               CS  HB 67  (FIN)  am   was heard  and HELD  in                                                                   
               Committee for further consideration.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:08:27 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATE BILL NO. 122                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to an optional exemption from                                                                             
    municipal property taxes for residential property."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BILL WEILECHOWSKI, sponsor,  explained SB 201, Alaska                                                                   
Open  Government  Act.  The  legislation   mandates  a  free,                                                                   
searchable website  that provides  Alaskans with  easy access                                                                   
to detailed and comprehensive  information on state spending.                                                                   
He asserted that this will encourage  better understanding of                                                                   
state  operations and,  ultimately, reduce  waste and  ensure                                                                   
that funds are directed to the  state's most important needs.                                                                   
He informed the Committee that  in 2006 President Bush signed                                                                   
into law the Federal Funding Accountability  and Transparency                                                                   
Act.  The Act calls for the creation  of a searchable website                                                                   
(www.federalspending.gov)of  federal   contracts  and  grants                                                                   
over  $25,000.00.  He  underlined that  the  legislation  was                                                                   
introduced by a  bipartisan team of 4 United  States Senators                                                                   
including: Senator  John McCain and  Barack Obama.   In 2007,                                                                   
five states  (Kansas, Texas,  Oklahoma Minnesota  and Hawaii)                                                                   
passed  similar legislation  mandating an  on-line data  base                                                                   
outlining  state expenditures.  Efforts  are  underway in  14                                                                   
other   states  to  adopt   a  similar   mandate.     Senator                                                                   
Weilechowski  referenced  the  handout  showing  examples  of                                                                   
websites in Texas,  Virginia and Missouri.  He  said that the                                                                   
states  with the information  websites  had large numbers  of                                                                   
citizens using  the site with  Missouri reporting as  many as                                                                   
one million  hits.  He underlined  the importance  of placing                                                                   
the provision in  statute so it is not affected  by political                                                                   
changes in  leadership. He added  that placing  the provision                                                                   
in statute  gives the Legislature  a say  in what may  or may                                                                   
not be  on the website.   He informed  the Committee  that SB
201 has a zero fiscal note.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  addressed  page  3,  line  10:  "shall  be                                                                   
available October 1, 2009".  He  asked why the date is so far                                                                   
in the future.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Weilechowski responded  that  the Governor  provided                                                                   
the timeline.   Previous committees urged  the Administration                                                                   
to have the website finalized  before any action was taken on                                                                   
the  bill.   He did  not object  to  changing the  date.   He                                                                   
acknowledged that the Governor's  office has a website up and                                                                   
running  and  that  it  could   evolve  into  something  more                                                                   
polished.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Huggins asked  what the difference  was between  the                                                                   
Governor's website and the proposed in the bill.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:15:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHELLE SYDEMEN,  STAFF TO  SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI,  explained                                                                   
that  the Governor's  website, Checkbook  Online, only  lists                                                                   
some  expenditures,  but  none  of  the  revenue  information                                                                   
outlined in SB 122.  She deferred  to Kim Garnero for further                                                                   
clarification.    Co-Chair Stedman  noted  that  most of  the                                                                   
information is already available.   Senator Weilechowski said                                                                   
the information  is available,  but the information  would be                                                                   
consolidated   on   the   website  to   provide   a   clearer                                                                   
understanding  for the  public.   Co-Chair  Stedman said  the                                                                   
Legislature  is  working  toward a  more  easily  interpreted                                                                   
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:17:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas  noted the  difficulties of communicating  the                                                                   
future  revenue forecast  and state expenses  to the  public.                                                                   
He  asked Senator  Weilechowski  if  the website  would  help                                                                   
provide understanding to the public,  given the complexity of                                                                   
the variables involved.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Weilechowski said  that  the website  would help  in                                                                   
providing  a  level  of understanding  to  the  public  about                                                                   
future revenue  and expenditures.   He noted several  ways in                                                                   
which  other  states  expressed   the  information  on  their                                                                   
websites.   There are  many ways to  explain where  the state                                                                   
revenue comes from and how it is spent.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson felt  it would  also  be helpful  to have  the                                                                   
state's outstanding liabilities on the website.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:19:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman agreed  that  both assets  and  liabilities                                                                   
should be represented.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson emphasized  the importance  of clarifying  for                                                                   
the public,  the value/erosion  of the  dollar over  time. He                                                                   
commended  the Sponsor  for his  efforts  and underlined  the                                                                   
importance of establishing the provision in statute.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton  asked about the  language on page  2 regarding                                                                   
receipts  and expenditures.   He  expressed frustration  with                                                                   
the difference between  the amount collected and  the cost of                                                                   
operations  within  the  Division  of  Motor  Vehicles  (DMV)                                                                   
licensing.   He thought the amount  taken in was  three times                                                                   
the amount spent.  He asked if  the disparity between what is                                                                   
collected  and  what  is  spent would  be  reflected  in  the                                                                   
information on the website.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:21:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sydeman,  answered that the  bill, as written,  would not                                                                   
require  that   information,  but  thought  the   idea  worth                                                                   
exploring. She  noted that  the Administration is  attempting                                                                   
to keep costs down by working  within the capabilities of the                                                                   
State's central accounting system.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:22:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KIM  GARNERO, DIRECTOR,  DIVISION OF  FINANCE, DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                   
ADMINISTRATION, added  that the relationship  of expenditures                                                                   
to funding source  is clear in the budget process  and not so                                                                   
clear in  the accounting  system.   Most appropriations  have                                                                   
multiple funding  sources, which means an  allocation process                                                                   
is necessary  to match the  expenditure to the  dollar amount                                                                   
collected.  Attempting to clarify  what DMV collects and what                                                                   
is expended  is far more  complicated than the  first version                                                                   
of  Checkbook  Online  that is  currently  available  to  the                                                                   
Division.   Checkbook   Online    does   not   include   some                                                                   
expenditures   of   the  State   and   certain   confidential                                                                   
information.  She explained that  the Department of Law would                                                                   
need to do an analysis on the  confidential information.  The                                                                   
provision requires  the information  be aggregated,  which is                                                                   
not  possible with  the  current system.  She  noted that  as                                                                   
confidential information comes  available, the detail will be                                                                   
added or a summary will be provided.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Garnero stated that revenues  are not on the website, but                                                                   
will  be by  the  end of  the  fiscal year.  She  went on  to                                                                   
explain  that the  Alaska  Data Enterprise  Reporting  System                                                                   
(ALDER)  is the  first  step  in replacing  aging  accounting                                                                   
payroll  systems.   She observed  that ALDER  is a  reporting                                                                   
system data warehouse that is  taking legacy information from                                                                   
the accounting  system to  a reporting  system.  The  payroll                                                                   
information is  not yet in ALDER,  but will be by the  end of                                                                   
the  year.   How much  payroll detail  will be  added to  the                                                                   
website is yet to be determined.  She clarified that the zero                                                                   
fiscal note is based on using  Excel to meet the requirements                                                                   
on  line 5,  page  3, with  no  need to  purchase  additional                                                                   
software.   She  said  both the  press  and  the public  have                                                                   
provided  positive feedback  on the user  friendly aspect  of                                                                   
the website.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  asked   about  the   detail  of   payroll                                                                   
information.   Ms.  Garnero said  the payroll  piece was  not                                                                   
even at the design stage of how detailed it would be.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:27:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Elton asked if  the Administration  could track  the                                                                   
number of hits  to the website.  Ms. Garnero  agreed tracking                                                                   
the number of hits  would be useful, though she  did not know                                                                   
if it was being done.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Huggins  noted  the  value  of  tracking  particular                                                                   
indicators  of  government  growth;   number  of  people  and                                                                   
authorized positions  by year.  He wondered  if the provision                                                                   
intends to  provide citizens with  the ability to  track such                                                                   
information thru the website.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:28:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Garnero said some information  is available on the web in                                                                   
a  comprehensive annual  report.   The  report tracks  trends                                                                   
over the years.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Huggins felt  that the  information should  be in  a                                                                   
condensed form  to aid understanding of what  transpires over                                                                   
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  noted the  importance of representing  impacts                                                                   
of the  supplemental budget over  calendar and  fiscal years.                                                                   
He also noted capital and operating  costs are often unclear.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Garnero said  the beauty of using the  state's accounting                                                                   
system is  that it  is categorized by  payments made,  not by                                                                   
legislation that authorized the expenditure.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:30:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked why there is  a zero fiscal note  if the                                                                   
compilation  of information  is required.   Ms. Garnero  said                                                                   
the information is currently managed  through Excel There are                                                                   
no  costs   associated  because   the  software   is  already                                                                   
available  for processing  information.   There is  financial                                                                   
impact only  if there is  a need to  purchase software.   She                                                                   
reiterated  that   the  ALDER  system  will   allow  for  the                                                                   
retrieval and accounting of 25 years worth of data.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman assumed that  by using Excel, the public can                                                                   
download  information more  readily. Ms.  Garnero agreed  and                                                                   
noted that  there has been a  great deal of  positive support                                                                   
for the website.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:31:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  if  a person  wanted  to research  a                                                                   
payment  made to  the State  by British  Petroleum, within  a                                                                   
specific month, would that be  available as a specific number                                                                   
or an aggregate number.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Garnera said the plan now  is to present revenues by type                                                                   
not  by source.   She  further  noted that  revenues are  not                                                                   
tracked  as clearly  as  expenditures are.  That  information                                                                   
would come  from the Department  of Revenue (DOR) and  may or                                                                   
may not be confidential.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked if he  understood correctly  that the                                                                   
number would be an aggregate rather than specific.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:32:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Garnero responded  that the revenue information  would be                                                                   
by category not by payee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked if  the detail  on expenses  could be                                                                   
broken down per individual employee of the State.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Garnero  reiterated that only non-payroll  expenses equal                                                                   
to or  greater than $1000 would  be provided on  the website.                                                                   
The level of  payroll information that would  be available is                                                                   
yet to be determined.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  noted that the  legislature does  receive a                                                                   
report that  provides payroll information  regarding salaries                                                                   
for the higher positions within  the executive branch as well                                                                   
the legislative branch.  Ms. Garnero  noted that the Division                                                                   
of Finance  produces that  report.   Senator Thomas  asked if                                                                   
the $1000  threshold is  for any  non-payroll payment  to any                                                                   
state employee.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:34:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Garnero  noted she  was uncertain  if payroll  parameters                                                                   
are  the  same as  the  non-personnel  services,  parameters.                                                                   
With  non-personnel  services  the  attempt was  to  cut  the                                                                   
number of venders  down to an amount that could  be presented                                                                   
in Excel.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked if the  website allows a subcontractor                                                                   
to  look   up  payments   of  $1000   paid  out  to   general                                                                   
contractors.  Ms. Garnero said that was correct.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Elton concluded  from the discussion  that there  is                                                                   
currently  no ability  to  track expenses  under  $1000.   He                                                                   
provided an example of a state  employee traveling frequently                                                                   
with accrued expenses exceeding  $1000 in total.  Ms. Garnero                                                                   
responded   that  in   order  to  track   and  compile   that                                                                   
information,  hundreds of  man hours  are required.   Senator                                                                   
Elton noted the travel expense  information for the executive                                                                   
branch and the  legislative branch is already  available.  He                                                                   
asked if providing  the information is just a  matter of data                                                                   
entry.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:36:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Garnero  reiterated  that   the  manual  aggregation  of                                                                   
information is time  consuming.  She said the  information is                                                                   
not retrievable  in an automated fashion from  the accounting                                                                   
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Elton  assumed   that   detailed  employee   travel                                                                   
information  could   be  obtained  through   the  Legislative                                                                   
Affairs Agency or the executive branch.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Garnero  also   pointed   out  that   the  Travel   and                                                                   
Compensation Report is on the Checkbook Online website.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman wondered  where  the line  was between  the                                                                   
amount of information  provided for clarity and  when to much                                                                   
information becomes convoluted.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:37:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Garnero said  Checkbook  On-line  is what  is  currently                                                                   
being used  to meet the  research needs regarding  any entity                                                                   
the State  makes payments  too.  With  regards to  debt loads                                                                   
and revenue  projections, the Comprehensive  Annual Financial                                                                   
Report  is a  great resource.    She further  noted that  the                                                                   
budget  system produces  helpful reports  for more  strategic                                                                   
planning objectives.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  noted that the  reports mentioned  are used                                                                   
regularly by the  legislature.  He emphasized  the challenges                                                                   
of  reviewing data  and thought  that  the financial  reports                                                                   
could be quite daunting for the  general public and even some                                                                   
staff.  He  reiterated   the  desire  for  a   user  friendly                                                                   
information base for true understanding  of the financials of                                                                   
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Garnero recommended  reading  the management  discussion                                                                   
and analysis section of the financial  report.  She explained                                                                   
that a high level executive overview  of financial statements                                                                   
and the significant  events for the year are  provided within                                                                   
the report.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:41:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  made a point  that it  is very easy  to get                                                                   
lost in  the complexity  of detailed  financial reports.   He                                                                   
emphasized  the  importance  of providing  information  in  a                                                                   
format that is easily understood by the general public.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Garnero  believed the website  had potential for  being a                                                                   
communication tool  for citizens in understanding  the fiscal                                                                   
health of the State.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  said he  would speak  to the sponsor  about                                                                   
his concerns.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SANDRA FABRY,  STATE GOVERNMENT  AFFAIRS DIRECTOR,  AMERICANS                                                                   
FOR TAX REFORM  (Testified via teleconference),  testified in                                                                   
support  of SB  201  and noted  the  letter  of support  from                                                                   
Americans for Tax Reform (copy  on file.)  She explained that                                                                   
she  had  been   working  with  lawmakers  to   move  towards                                                                   
providing  transparency in government.   She  said SB  201 is                                                                   
about providing  taxpayers with  a consolidated place  to get                                                                   
well-rounded  state  government  finance  information.    She                                                                   
quoted Ralph  Nadar and  noted his  support for the  concept.                                                                   
She further  pointed out that  the movement transcends  party                                                                   
lines  at both the  federal and  state level.  She noted  the                                                                   
large percentage  of citizens that supported  the creation of                                                                   
the website in other states.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:49:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS  NELSON,   ALASKANS  FOR  TAX  REFORM   (Testified  via                                                                   
teleconference),  spoke  in  support  of SB  201  noting  the                                                                   
importance of  one, easily accessible information  website on                                                                   
state  operations  and finances.    He maintained  that  this                                                                   
provision is  an important step  and urged that  Committee to                                                                   
move SB 201.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE  CLEARY,  EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,  ALASKA  PUBLIC  INTEREST                                                                   
RESEARCH  GROUP  (AKPIRG)  (Testified   via  teleconference),                                                                   
spoke in  support SB 201 noting  the unique ability  to unite                                                                   
all sides of  the political spectrum.  He  further underlined                                                                   
the importance  of enabling citizens to be  actively involved                                                                   
in government.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:52:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked Ms. Garnero if the  information would                                                                   
be readily available  to citizens.  He asked  specifically if                                                                   
the number  of state employees  requested to be added  to the                                                                   
budget could  be accessed through  the website.   Ms. Garnero                                                                   
said  the information  is  not  available on  the  Division's                                                                   
accounting system.  The number  of employees is a part of the                                                                   
statistical  data within  the  financial statement.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Stedman  said  he understood  the  report was  available.  He                                                                   
wanted  to make  the  point  that by  having  understandable,                                                                   
accessible  information online,  there  is greater  potential                                                                   
for  a clearer  understanding  of government  operations  and                                                                   
finances.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:54:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Weilechowski  concluded his  comments by  noting that                                                                   
there is bipartisan support for  SB 201. He purported that in                                                                   
order  for  the citizenry  to  function,  there needs  to  be                                                                   
access to information.  He maintained  that the bill provides                                                                   
for that access: information in a simple consolidated area.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:56:22 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATE BILL NO. 122                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act   relating  to   an  optional  exemption   from                                                                   
    municipal property taxes for residential property."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
GRIER  HOPKINS,  STAFF, SENATOR  JOE  THOMAS,  read from  the                                                                   
Sponsor Statement (On File).                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Senate  Bill   122  increases  the   optional  municipal                                                                   
     property  tax exemption  for  a private  residence  from                                                                   
     $20,000 to  up to $100,000.  This bill does  not mandate                                                                   
     any  action by  municipalities.  This  bill only  allows                                                                   
     local  governments   the  option  of   increasing  their                                                                   
     residential property tax exemption.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Currently there  are 12 boroughs and 13 cities  - with a                                                                   
     combined  population of  over 590,000  Alaskans -  which                                                                   
     levy  property taxes.   Each of  these is attempting  to                                                                   
     respond to  homeowners struggling under the  rising cost                                                                   
     of energy  across the  state.   In some instances  these                                                                   
     issues are  coupled with rapidly rising  assessed values                                                                   
     of private residences. Across  the state, these citizens                                                                   
     are crying for relief.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     SB  122 would  not  affect a  smaller,  revenue-strapped                                                                   
     community's  sources of  tax income.  Instead, it  would                                                                   
     give   those   municipalities   with  a   large   enough                                                                   
     population  the  ability   to  relieve  the  tax  burden                                                                   
     largely borne  by homeowners.  SB 122 would  allow local                                                                   
     for control  in setting the  allowable exemption  at any                                                                   
     amount  up to $100,000.   A  local ordinance would  then                                                                   
     require voter approval before enactment.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The original  option of  exempting up  to $20,000  was a                                                                   
     good  idea when  it  passed both  houses  of the  Alaska                                                                   
     Legislature  unanimously   in  2004,  and   has  been  a                                                                   
     valuable  tool for  the municipalities  which  exercised                                                                   
     this option.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     As municipalities around  our state attempt to diversify                                                                   
     their income  base and respond  to the needs  of private                                                                   
     citizens struggling  under today's rising  energy costs,                                                                   
     I urge  you to  support the  timely passage Senate  Bill                                                                   
     122.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked how many  municipalities have used the                                                                   
exemption.  Mr.  Hopkins responded that the  City and Borough                                                                   
of  Yakutat, Anchorage  Municipality,  Fairbanks Borough  and                                                                   
the  City  of  Fairbanks  and   Valdez  would  implement  the                                                                   
$100,000 exemption.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Huggins asked  Mr. Grier  to  explain the  Fairbanks                                                                   
North  Star Borough's  allocation  of $150,000  for a  ballot                                                                   
initiative in 2008.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER YUHAS,  SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO MAYOR,  FAIRBANKS NORTH                                                                   
STAR  BOROUGH, explained  that  the $150,000  allocation  was                                                                   
provided for a statewide citizen  initiative.  If the bill is                                                                   
passed there would be no need for the allocation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Huggins  referenced  Ms. Yuhas'  handout  and  asked                                                                   
about  the  three  ways  communities  could  respond  to  the                                                                   
potential revenue  loss from the  exemption.  He  quoted from                                                                   
the  handout  "Allowable  municipal  Property  Tax  Exemption                                                                   
increase" (On File):                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Each  municipality  will   have  the  burden  to  manage                                                                   
     diversification  of revenue  or  retraction of  services                                                                   
     associated   with   implementation   of   an   increased                                                                   
     exemption.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     There are 3 options reduction of services:                                                                                 
     -decreased budget                                                                                                          
     -shifting tax burden to non residential properties                                                                         
     -implementing sales, gross receipts, or other taxes.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Huggins asked  about  the third  option that  lists:                                                                   
implementation of sales, gross  receipts, or other taxes.  He                                                                   
asked  if  the  list  represents   a  strategy  by  FBNSB  to                                                                   
implement  a tax.    Ms.  Yuhas said  there  has  not been  a                                                                   
strategy outlined  to implement a tax.   The tax is  just one                                                                   
option  of the  three.   She reiterated  that each  community                                                                   
would decide how to manage the revenue loss.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  if  there  was  no  other  way  the                                                                   
municipalities could relieve this  tax burden without passing                                                                   
legislation.   Ms. Yuhas said  after researching  through the                                                                   
borough attorney,  the assessor's  office, and the  financial                                                                   
department, there was no other legal option available.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:02:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Yuhas  acknowledged the  expressed concern regarding  the                                                                   
implementation  of a  higher property  tax exemption  and the                                                                   
potential  shift of  the burden  to non-residential  property                                                                   
owners.  The  City of Valdez testified in the  last committee                                                                   
that they would  not shift the tax burden  to non-residential                                                                   
property  owners.     She  said  it  would  be   up  to  each                                                                   
municipality  to decide how  they would  recoup the  costs or                                                                   
work with a decreased budget.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:04:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
STEVE  VAN  SANT,  STATE  ASSESSOR,  DEPARTMENT  OF  COMMERCE                                                                   
COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,  said the Administration does                                                                   
not have  a position on  SB 122.   The provision  expands the                                                                   
current residential  exemption of  $20,000.  The  fiscal note                                                                   
reflects the cost  associated with the implementation  of the                                                                   
$100,000  exemption.  In the  six  communities  that use  the                                                                   
exemption, the  cost to the State  is $4-5 million.   This is                                                                   
due to  city oil and gas  revenue receiving communities.   He                                                                   
explained  that the communities  would  have to increase  the                                                                   
mill rate, which  would cause the State to lose  money on oil                                                                   
and gas revenues.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  for   an  estimate.  Mr.  Van  Sant                                                                   
reiterated the cost to the state  in tax revenue would be $4-                                                                   
5 million.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman observed  that the  fiscal note  is for  $3                                                                   
million.  He  asked about mandatory tax exemptions.   Mr. Van                                                                   
Sant explained  that the  $150,000 exemption  is for  seniors                                                                   
who are at least  65 years old and living in  their own home.                                                                   
He  elaborated that  this  exemption is  a  mandate that  all                                                                   
municipalities  must  abide  by.    Municipalities  have  the                                                                   
option  of exempting anything  over $150,000  as outlined  in                                                                   
Title 29,  Chapter 45,  Section .050.   At the present  time,                                                                   
there is  only one municipality  that has taken  advantage of                                                                   
the option.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:07:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
TAMMIE  WILSON, NORTH  POLE (Testified  via  teleconference),                                                                   
spoke in support of SB 122.  She  informed the Committee that                                                                   
her property tax bill has increased  by 63% in one year.  She                                                                   
further explained  that in  the past four  years the  tax has                                                                   
increased 95%. She  said her income has not  increased at the                                                                   
same rate.   She felt  SB 122 is the  only way the  State can                                                                   
allow  a difference  between  property  tax on  homes  versus                                                                   
commercial or other properties.   She supported the provision                                                                   
as optional  rather  than a mandate.   She  urged passage  of                                                                   
SB 122.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  noted that  citizens do  have the  right to                                                                   
appeal  an assessment.   Ms.  Wilson responded  that she  had                                                                   
pursued that option.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
GARY  SUPERMAN,  KENAI,  spoke in  support  of  SB 122.    He                                                                   
outlined his  experience with municipal  taxing.  In  2004, a                                                                   
resolution was passed in Kenai  supporting SB 136 and raising                                                                   
the  exemption to  $20,000.   Kenai has  since implemented  a                                                                   
sales  tax  to   cover  revenue  losses  from   property  tax                                                                   
exemption.  He  said  he understood  concerns  regarding  the                                                                   
significant  increase  in  the exemption  and  the  potential                                                                   
impacts to communities.  He suggested  tying the exemption to                                                                   
a sliding  scale, based  on sales tax  usage.  He  maintained                                                                   
that the concept could provide  tax relief, and the necessary                                                                   
impetus for those without a sales tax, to put one in place.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:16:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked if  Mr.  Superman was  speaking  for                                                                   
himself.  Mr. Superman said he  was speaking for himself, but                                                                   
explained that the Kenai Peninsula  Borough (KPB) did support                                                                   
the property tax exemption in  2004.  He said KPB had not yet                                                                   
taken a stand on SB 122.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB  122  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in  Committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:18:07 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATE BILL NO. 204                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act   relating  to   an  optional  exemption   from                                                                   
     municipal  property taxes for  residences of  widows and                                                                   
     widowers of  certain members of the armed  forces of the                                                                   
     United States; and providing for an effective date."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GENE  THERRIAULT,  SPONSOR, explained  that  SB  204                                                                   
proposes  optional  property  tax  allowance  for  widows  or                                                                   
widowers of military personel  who were killed in the line of                                                                   
duty.  In deference to the geographic  differences around the                                                                   
state  and  wanting  to  protect   local  control,  the  bill                                                                   
provides an  option rather  than a  mandate for property  tax                                                                   
exemption. He  explained that  the companion legislation,  HB
285, removed the 90 day requirement.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  asked   Senator   Therriault  to   define                                                                   
"permanent  place  of abode".  Senator  Therriault  explained                                                                   
that the  permanent place of abode  is where a  person lives.                                                                   
He added that, with the latitude  in the bill, the definition                                                                   
would  be  created  through  local   ordinances.  He  further                                                                   
explained  that, if a  person owns  multiple properties,  the                                                                   
state  law suggests  that the  exemption be  granted for  the                                                                   
property on which the person lives.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  asked if any  consideration had been  given to                                                                   
extending  the  exemption  to handicapped  veterans  who  are                                                                   
unable to earn income.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:21:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Therriault  responded that in current  law the senior                                                                   
property tax exemption includes disabled veterans.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton  asked if  the municipality  has the  option to                                                                   
provide  the exemption  to  someone who  is  not a  resident.                                                                   
Senator Therriault  responded that SB  204 would allow  for a                                                                   
person to  move to  the State to  qualify for the  exemption.                                                                   
He said  thought had been  given to whether to  differentiate                                                                   
between a  spouse that gave  their life  in the line  of duty                                                                   
based on residency.   He further noted that  he didn't expect                                                                   
people to  move to Alaska to  take advantage of  the property                                                                   
tax  exemption.    He  provided   an  example  of  a  soldier                                                                   
stationed  overseas  who  was  an  Alaska  resident;  he  was                                                                   
stationed overseas, but had property in Alaska.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:23:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Elton  asked  if the  provision  mandates  that  the                                                                   
municipality  offer the  exemption to  an individual  who was                                                                   
not  a   resident,  or   could  the  municipality   determine                                                                   
criteria.   Senator  Therriault  clarified  that the  current                                                                   
wording is  a mandate.   He said  that, if  that was  not the                                                                   
desired result, language  would need to be added  to clarify.                                                                   
Senator Elton restated for clarification  that the program is                                                                   
optional, but some of the options  may be precluded.  Senator                                                                   
Therriault  said  the level  and  length were  optional;  the                                                                   
prospective pool is mandated.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins suggested the  90 day language is irrelevant.                                                                   
He  also clarified  that  Alaska  is considered  an  overseas                                                                   
tour-of-duty.  A permanent  place  of abode  means  different                                                                   
things to different  people, particularly those  who work for                                                                   
the  military.  He  supported  the bill,  but  wanted  to  be                                                                   
certain the language was correct.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:26:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas assumed that line  11, 12, and 13 are critical                                                                   
in indicating  that the  ordinance would  allow a  particular                                                                   
entity to  manage some of the  residency issues.  He  said he                                                                   
was  troubled by  the possibility  of someone  moving to  the                                                                   
State  to  take   advantage  of  the  exemption.     He  also                                                                   
questioned   the  eligibility   of  someone  who   remarried.                                                                   
Senator Therriault  said if  a person  remarries they  are no                                                                   
longer a widower  and would not be eligible  for the property                                                                   
tax exemption.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  about those  living in a  commercial                                                                   
building and  how they  are considered  for the exemption  as                                                                   
opposed to those who own a home.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:28:43 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Therriault   reiterated   that  there   is   enough                                                                   
flexibility in the provision to  allow municipalities to make                                                                   
determinations.  He informed  the Committee  that the  Alaska                                                                   
Municipal League supports SB 204.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  asked   how   many  municipalities   were                                                                   
anticipated to take advantage of the exemption.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ERNEST PRAX,  STAFF, SENATOR GENE  THERRIAULT, said  that 80-                                                                   
100 soldiers stationed  in Alaska have been  killed in combat                                                                   
duty.  There is uncertainty with  regard to how many soldiers                                                                   
had families,  and how many of  those families had  chosen to                                                                   
stay in Alaska.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:31:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas  referenced the wording  on line 9,  and asked                                                                   
if  the  language  included  a person  who  is  killed  under                                                                   
"friendly fire".   He explained that in a  previous committee                                                                   
there was  a question  regarding a  suicide case and  whether                                                                   
dependents would be the eligible  for the exemption. Mr. Prax                                                                   
said that if a soldier intentionally  took his own life, then                                                                   
the family would  not be eligible for the exemption.  He went                                                                   
on to say  that if a soldier  was killed in the line  of fire                                                                   
while  protecting another  soldier,  they would  not only  be                                                                   
eligible,  but  would be  bumped  up  the priority  list  for                                                                   
receipt  of benefits.    With regard  to  being killed  under                                                                   
"friendly fire" the answer is yes, they would be eligible.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins asked the Sponsor  if it was his intention to                                                                   
make a widower who had remarried ineligible.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Therriault responded yes.   He further clarified that                                                                   
the eligibility  for the exemption  is based on  "hostile" or                                                                   
"friendly" fire.  Any individual  receiving "imminent danger"                                                                   
pay is eligible for the exemption.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:33:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked if the definition includes  a soldier                                                                   
who  is  preparing  to  go to  Iraq  and  dies  before  being                                                                   
deployed.  Senator  Therriault said that the  soldier in that                                                                   
scenario  would not  be eligible  as  they would  not yet  be                                                                   
receiving "imminent danger" pay.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:35:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins  clarified that  an individual is  considered                                                                   
eligible  for imminent  danger pay  when in  the combat  zone                                                                   
circle, regardless of what capacity they serve.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:36:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN  HERNANDEZ, FAIRBANKS  (Testified via  teleconference),                                                                   
testified in  support of SB 204.   Her husband was  killed in                                                                   
Iraq  in 2006.  She reiterated  the  definition of  "imminent                                                                   
danger pay".  She further commented  that she did not feel it                                                                   
appropriate for a soldier to receive  benefits if their death                                                                   
was at their own hand.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Van Sant provided definitions:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   -permanent place of abode: 185 days a year                                                                                   
   -Widow: benefits stop if remarry, municipalities could                                                                       
   extend                                                                                                                       
   -"90 days" was taken out of house bill due to assessors                                                                      
   seeing it as problematic.  He suggested the 90 day                                                                           
   language be removed from SB 204.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Therriault  said he  did  not  have a  problem  with                                                                   
omitting the  90 day provision  and noted he would  work with                                                                   
staff to draft a CS.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SB  204  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in  Committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:42:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 67(FIN) am                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act   relating  to   a  mandatory  exemption   from                                                                   
     municipal property  taxes for certain  college property,                                                                   
     to a mandatory  exemption from municipal  property taxes                                                                   
     for  residences of  certain widows  or widowers,  and to                                                                   
     optional  exemptions from  municipal property  taxes for                                                                   
     property  of  certain fraternal  organizations  and  for                                                                   
     certain  residences  of law  enforcement  officers;  and                                                                   
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG, CO-SPONSOR,  addressed HB 67.  Rep.                                                                   
Gruenburg referred to HB 67 as  the "cop in the neighborhood"                                                                   
bill.   The  provision allows  a municipality  to provide  an                                                                   
exemption from  municipal property  taxes for peace  officers                                                                   
who move into a high crime neighborhood.   He maintained that                                                                   
having an officer  in the neighborhood is a  crime deterrent.                                                                   
He outlined the sections of the bill:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Sec.  1  extends  the  disabled   veteran  property  tax                                                                   
     exemptions  to widows  and widowers  of peace  officers.                                                                   
     He noted the  definitions used for this are  the same as                                                                   
     those in SB 204.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Sec.  2 added  by Senator  Thomas  expands the  optional                                                                   
     municipal tax exemption for residences to 40,000.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 3  was added by  Representative Meyer.   Originally                                                                   
     the  exemption  was  mandatory.   This  was  changed  to                                                                   
     optional to  allow municipalities to exempt  property of                                                                   
     a private  none profit four  year college  or university                                                                   
     that is accredited that is  not subject to the mandatory                                                                   
     exemption. He  added that other taxing  provisions would                                                                   
     still apply.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gruenberg noted that  section 3 is  important                                                                   
to  a  facility  located on  the  Alaska  Pacific  University                                                                   
campus.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 4 provides the option  for municipalities to exempt                                                                   
     religious, charitable, education,  scientific, literary,                                                                   
     and fraternal  organizations.  Representative  Gruenburg                                                                   
     explained  that many  of the  facilities are  used as  a                                                                   
     meeting place and serve the entire communities.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gruenburg  purported that HB 67  has served as                                                                   
a repository  for many tax relief  provisions.  He  urged the                                                                   
Committee  to pass  HB 67  because it  provides property  tax                                                                   
relief to a wide variety of people and organizations.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton asked  how the tax exemption effects  "full and                                                                   
true value" that is applied to the school funding formula.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gruenburg  was not certain. He  explained that                                                                   
the exemption  may trigger a round of  additional assessments                                                                   
or  trigger the  municipality  to look  at the  rest of  it's                                                                   
taxing structure.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:50:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Van  Sant  explained  that HB  67  deals  with  optional                                                                   
exemptions  and  has  no  revenue impact  to  the  State.  He                                                                   
addressed   the    question   regarding   the    full   value                                                                   
determination.    Any  optional exemption,  authorized  by  a                                                                   
municipality  is put  back  into the  full  value, and  would                                                                   
thereby  not effect  school funding.    "If a  municipality's                                                                   
full value  is $100  and they  exempt optionally a  fraternal                                                                   
organization, for example, those  are put back in so the full                                                                   
value will remain  $100 even though the local  assessed value                                                                   
may be $85."   The full value  will not be effected  by this.                                                                   
For school  funding purposes  the 4 mills  would be  based on                                                                   
$100 rather than  $85.  He reiterated that  because these are                                                                   
all optional  exemptions it would  not have an impact  on the                                                                   
State.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Van  Sant added a clarification:  Sec. 1 does  not extend                                                                   
the exemption to  widowers; it clarifies that  it removes the                                                                   
age  requirement.   The language  combines  the criteria  for                                                                   
disabled veterans  and widowers.  The language  is removed so                                                                   
that there is no age restriction for veterans.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:52:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Rep.  Gruenburg  said the  effective  date needed  to  change                                                                   
because, if HB  67 was enacted now, the effective  date would                                                                   
be retroactive.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  MOVED to  ADOPT Amendment 1,  25-LS0314/J.2                                                                   
Cook, 2/19/08.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman OBJECTED for purposes of clarification.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CHENAULT,  Co-Sponsor,   explained  that  the                                                                   
amendment allows  for boroughs,  to charge cities  inside the                                                                   
borough,  for collecting  a tax  that is not  uniform to  the                                                                   
borough.  The amendment provides  for the borough to charge a                                                                   
fee to pay for purchases necessary for tax collection.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman WITHDREW his OBJECTION.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson asked  if there  would be  efforts to  combine                                                                   
legislation dealing with tax exemptions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:55:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  stated the  intention  was  to provide  an                                                                   
opportunity  for discussion on  various proposed  legislation                                                                   
dealing with property tax exemption.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Dyson  supported   combining   the  tax   exemption                                                                   
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman said the provision  may fit into a long-term                                                                   
fiscal bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HB  67   was  Heard  and   HELD  in  Committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:57:28 AM.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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